#59 The Law and Self Defense 

Show Transcript

This is the John Hallett podcast with John Hallett. Because the way we’re living, we need to change it. Make a change today, and all learn from failure. Maybe they just wanted it a little bit more than you. That’s probably the fact. And now your host, John Hallett. Hey, gang.

Welcome back. Glad you could join me. Greatly appreciated. I am back from a little r r. Um, I don’t think I’d recommend the resort, but it was still a week away from Josh. You always recommend the resort in case they want to be. Oh, they’re going to be a sponsor.

If we could just get black rifle coffee to sponsor us, I’d be psyched. If they just sent me coffee, I’d be psyched. Yeah, well, we drink a lot of black rifle. Don’t. Don’t. How much coffee costs, Mike? Can I talk now? Go. You’re, like, shushing me.

Don’t piss off the potential sponsors, John. I really don’t think they’re going to sponsor me. But, uh, getting back on track, right? You get a little off. Even though I maintained my fast and I worked out a couple of times, I wasn’t as dedicated as I could have been.

Um, in there, but get back at it, guys. You get off track, you just got to get back on it. Um, we’re talking about a bunch of things. Um, one big thing is the law, right? That’s a big thing. We always say we’ve got to fight, and then there’s the legal system of being justified in what we’re doing.

Josh and I were just training, and we ended up talking about at least for ten minutes there. I think it was a good instructor conversation, but, man, when somebody shows a willingness to retreat, you’ve got to let them go. You cannot continue that fight, whether it’s hand to hand or, in the case this morning, of, uh, continuing to fire on somebody.

And I think that’s what you had said, right? You said like hell that you do. I don’t care. You dropped the knife. You were coming at me. I’m still shooting you. But I’m like. I showed a willingness to disengage and stop that fight after taking a couple of rounds.

That whatever, hypothetically, didn’t stop me. You hear that all the time. I’m shot. I’m shot, people. And they have had enough. You see that in footage all the time, and they decide that they don’t want anymore. And you see that in fist fights. You cannot continue after that guy.

It is tough. The law is tough. And now you’ve got that criminal and a civil potential case. So going to have three fights. The first one’s hard enough to win, and we all know we’re not lawyers, but if somebody’s showing a willingness to retreat, you’re now engaging in a second fight, and that’s something for you guys to, uh, really ponder and think about.

And another one on that subject that I had been thinking about recently, and, uh, I believe Josh and I were talking about it, but somebody said it in class, and I’m going to tell you I’m guilty of it before knowing better and learning more. But goading somebody into punching you, go ahead, hit me first.

That is not a claim of self defense. After that, even though the guy hit you first, you goaded him into it like the old gunslingers, um, goading that guy into the gunfight. You’re a willing participant in that fight. Tough stuff. So sometimes us guys think, well, he hit me first.

The simple thing is, he hit me first. Well, words matter, especially in 2020. They matter. So, especially in the court of law. What you say? There was a case, that case that I was looking at, uh, in a book, and a guy had said he was going to kill these two women.

A guy came to their rescue and punched the guy, and he was saying he was going to kill them, amongst other things, following them around a nightclub or bar. And a guy hit him. And then he pulled his gun, hit a bystander and hit the guy that hit him in the chest, uh, hit him in the face, hit him with a round of the chest, killed him, and he claimed self defense.

Guy hit me first, but he was threatening to kill people, so he was not innocent. Wow. Uh, that guy had the right to come and try to protect the smaller person that this guy was harassing and threatening to kill. You can’t say you’re going to kill somebody, especially in an aggressive manner.

You’ve got to reasonably believe that I’m going to try to kill you. I’m, uh, following you around a nightclub, whatever it may be. I’m going to kill you, bitches, is what he was saying to him. I’m going to bring myself in, because now I want to talk about that.

Because if somebody tells you something, believe them, right? If they said they’re going to kill you, you got to think, they might want to kill me, right? So, uh, you have to start going through a decision making process to figure out how to deal with that whole situation, right?

Yeah. And that’s a scary thought. Right? And if it seems imminent, then you need to do something about it, but I’m like, you know what, Josh? I’m coming back with my gun. I’ll get you, kill you, and I’m leaving. You could have avoided that. You couldn’t pull your gun and shoot me because that threat is not imminent.

Not imminent, but it is a threat. It is a threat. You got a reason why I believe it? You need to call the police. Sure, you need to get yourself out of there, but you can’t pull your gun in this country because the story. Changes if there’s no evidence in it.

Coming back. Yeah, maybe I think better. Maybe I get home and I’m like, do I really want to kill Josh? Uh uh. That was stupid. So that’s over, that argument, that threat, and I retreat to say, I’m going home. Well, maybe I think better of my wife, talks me out of it.

Who’s going to do your social media? You can’t kill Josh. No. Why’d you say that, John? It’d be horrible. And then the next part is that. And you know my house and shoot me. You’re guilty, right? But you’re allowed to change your mind, right? Yeah, I can change my mind.

And if. Yeah. You were to do the pre crime shoot on that, you’re the bad guy because only one of you committed homicide at that point. I mean, now if I’m approaching you and I got my hand behind my back and I’m saying, I’m going to. Kill you, threat was imminent.

It feels imminent. Yeah. So that whole guy thing of, like, he hit me first. Well, what did you say? Yeah. Were you like, hey, man, stay back away from me. I don’t want any trouble from you. Or you’re like, bring it on, dude. Bring it on. Let’s go. Well, he hit me.

You told him to bring it on. Goading’s real, right? Yeah. You’re a willing participant in that. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of. So. And those are the things that we do here at Rocky Mountain self defense and fitness in Castle Rock, Colorado.

Yeah. Check us out. Rmsdf.com. How do you, like, know? Uh, I’ve lived here my whole life. I like it when it rains and it never rains. You know what I mean? It never rains. The sun does always shine. Like, I’ve been upstate New York where it snows and it stays until July.

Right? It snows here. It’s gone by morning, so there’s parts. Of it that it’s like. It’s really, really great, right? I love Colorado. It’s always been my state, but it’s changed considerably since the 90s when I was old enough to start paying attention to what was going on. Right.

Yeah. At least on the political climate. And I don’t agree with everything, but there’s some steps they made that, uh, it’s going down a path I don’t know if I can follow anymore politically, at least with some of the.

I want to. I’m not going to go live in Jersey. Uh, Florida is always muggy. Right? It’s always hot. Texas is a no for me. Right? It was. I, uh, didn’t get into it on vacation, but, um, was talking about retirement, um, and places living. Um, my mother in law is kind of that snowbird.

She’s got the house in Florida and a house in Ohio, and you really need two at this stage of your life, and back and forth. And she’s like, I don’t know about Florida. I don’t like DeSantis, and I just didn’t say anything. But then I guess it was, uh, when I got home, possibly, but it could have stood by when we were on vacation.

I see a thing on 1440 news email that Florida DeSantis has gotten permission from the FDA to import certain pharmaceuticals from Canada at a lower cost. Wow. For the next, like, two years, I’m like, oh, Geez, that seems like a bad thing. I’m like, what is he doing that’s so bad?

I think people just get so. We all get so magnified. I’m listening to, um. What is that book? Which one are you holding up? Reading too many books or reading. No, not that book. Um, the coddling of the american mind. I’m, um, listening to that again. Um, my wife had mentioned, uh, talking about it.

She’s like, you’ll like this, uh, pt guy that she’s going to for her hip. And I was like, yeah, it’s good. And I was like, I’m going to just listen to it again a little bit. And there’s just so much, so much good information in there. And one was that I thought you would like that.

Um, Newton, uh, for every action, there’s an equal and opposite reaction. Now this guy, like, now, and I’m going to forget the term that he used. That’s the one thing I hate about digital. I could have put a bookmark in there, but I can never find my digital bookmarks.

And audible, uh, that’s why he hired me for social media, that when we’re talking about politics and these tribal things, it is not an equal reaction. And he was going through some things from 2015 17 and things happening that somebody on the left does this, and now it’s not an equal and opposite.

It’s magnified. When we’re talking about those things, all these things just keep getting magnified. God, people, we just need to get on the same freaking page as Americans, as people. This split is ridiculous. I think what’s going on right now, you were talking about something that was going on with Trump and Carolinas or wherever.

Who cares? Georgia. All this bs. We just need a regular freaking person. Yeah. And nobody wants to run. There’s some good people like Rogan. There’s different people out there that nobody wants it. I don’t want it. But I’m like, you know what, Joe Rogan, if you don’t want it, I think you’d be great.

There’s other great people out there. He seems very in the middle, but he’s got his set, you know? And I think sometimes that you’re like, hey, these economic things, gas prices aren’t affecting you. Grocery prices aren’t affecting you. And I’ve never been there, but you got to think, uh, that’s going to skew you a little bit.

As much as you can be when you have, like, you’re making decisions that don’t even affect you, but it’s going to affect other people. That’s where I’m like, I’d run for president, but what’s your foreign policy? I’m like, first off, be wary of the politician that wants power. Yeah, right.

Exactly. That’s the thing. Always try to vote for somebody who’s hesitant to take it. Second is if you really want to run for president, the things that get made, uh, up. Oh, yeah. In the media, nobody wants to do it because they just, because the other. Side trashes you and they’ll go dig up, uh, something from junior high that didn’t really exist, that they’ll try to turn into a real thing.

You know what I mean? Yeah. And that is too much. We’re normal people. So you look at where we’ve come in this country, it’s a train wreck. Nobody decent out there wants to do it because of what the media is going to do, not to mention just people that just don’t like you are going to say about you, threaten you.

I mean, you look at some of these things that what was happening on college campuses and these speakers are speaking out and it’s violence because of their words or threatening them and all of that crap, the things the other side was saying, no matter what the speaker, like, we’re going to kill you, rape you.

The things that people say, I mean, uh, and we know, don’t read the comments on YouTube because people are just jerks. People just say things whether they mean it or not. They’re just trying to word we’re living in. We’ve got to adapt to what has happened with social media, with all of the media outlets, and all of this stuff needs to change to some degree.

There’s got to be something because nobody wants to run except those who senile person. And, um, it seems kind of narcissistic to me. So what are we going to take? Uh, those are the two people that want to run. One guy that doesn’t, I don’t think, know he’s running and the other guy that wants the power is whatever you want to call him, call him something, Josh.

Revenge. You think Trump is out for revenge? Oh, John, it’s going to be quote unquote. Is that a guy that we want that’s out for revenge on his enemies or somebody that’s trying to fix America? Can we fix health care? Can we fix the education system versus these politicians going, I’m, um, going to eliminate all my other threats.

There are other Americans. We should be trying to get along and do what’s right for the country as a whole, as a majority. You once said to me, generally speaking, everybody should take martial arts. That way you learn how to be mentally tough, because martial arts teaches you how to be mentally tough and the body follows.

That’s what you teach all the time. I see it. Your mind has to be ready for it. But people aren’t mentally tough for that stuff anymore. They can’t handle small changes in their finances. Right? They can’t handle small changes in their lifestyle. The big changes that they see that happen around them, they’ll ignore because they can’t handle it.

Right? And that’s what we’re up against is nobody’s mentally tough. So they’re all willing to just be scared of everything. Yeah. Just the way people think of themselves. Well, then they become enemies, right? Because now, when you introduce fear between two, know, it’s like Yoda always said, fear leads to anger, anger will lead to hate for that person, and then hate leads to suffering because you will end up dehumanizing and destroying.

Favorite Yoda quote. Yeah, it’s real. It’s a real quote, right? Yeah, it’s real. Totally stoic. And we see it. We see it in the media, we see it when groups are going head to head, they will try to find fights with each other. Right? Yeah. And it’s just because they’re not capable of knowing or realizing that there’s another way of thinking out there, right.

That your way may not be the. Way people get tied to their tribalism. Um, uh, it’s even onto, um, the fitness realm. I’m fat. I’m out of shape. I’m not an athlete. Yeah, you are. You’re a human being. My oldest used to tell me that because you is into music, into marching band.

And he’s like, I’m not an athlete. I’m like, yeah, you are. And marching band, there’s precision and. Never mind just learning music and how that is beyond me. I wish my mind worked musically like his. You ever had to march and play an instrument? It takes a lot, uh, physically, but he’s, I’m not an athlete.

I’m like, no, you’re saying you’re not an athlete. Your personal Persona is, I’m not an athlete. Yeah, you are. Stop thinking of yourself as, I’m not an athlete. I can’t get in shape. I’m not into exercise. And you’re just telling yourself and reaffirming that I’m just big boned. Whatever you want to say.

Right? You’re just self affirming, and you keep telling yourself that. No, you’ve got to say, we just did a short on it. I am strong. I can get in shape. I am not the fat person. But you get, I’m just fat.

I’m just skinny. Well, you could still be in shape. Be like, I’m not strong. Well, you can get stronger for your skin. Everybody’s different, and we’re not all going to have the same strengths. No, but you can still get, uh, a better. But you get in your head of, I’m just a weakling.

You can build yourself up. Just because you’re skinny doesn’t mean you can’t get stronger. Just start working out. You’re going to get stronger slowly and steadily. But people get it in their head that I’m this, I’m, um, that I’m a Republican, I’m a Democrat. And you’re like, I don’t know where either side is really gone, when really.

We’Re all neighbors just trying to get through our lives. It’s ridiculous. The political scene is ridiculous, and people get too tied up into it all. And there’s a great book, um, we’re going to talk about. But, um, first, I want to remind you guys, uh, if you are our members, we’ve got January 20.

We’ve got our clear sky defender seminar, incorporating a blade into your self defense and of course, talking legally, but, uh, also really just practicing and incorporating the hand to hand skills with a tool to save your life, to equalize being outgunned, uh, for lack of better words. So guys, check that out.

That’s on band. And the same night, our, uh, members, we’ve got a member get together that’s on our member app. Ah, as well. I’m going to make a coffee. You make a coffee. You know what the time then? 1849. What were you going to say? Yeah, I was going to say, I’ll just start talking here because people get caught up in the way of doing things, man.

Are you trying to record this? I’m still recording. I’m still working. I don’t know about you. All right, I’m making a coffee. Uh, you make the coffee. I mean, like I said last time, this is your dime, brother. But you always told me it’s like the way of no way.

You just can’t get set in ways, right? Because if you do, you get stuck in your way and you’ll let it happen every single day and it’ll just fester and it will incorporate itself into everything you do. So change that mindset that you can have a different way of doing things.

  1. John walked away from the show. He pulled a, uh, ah, Joe Rogan. And was like, you know what? Screw this. I’m drinking coffee. Now is a good time to mention that there will be a pepper spray taser class. That’ll be a lot of fun. It’s required for your black belt.

February 24. February 24, and I’m going to be there. I’m going to get shocked. I’m going to get pepper sprayed again. This time by someone that’s not law enforcement.

I’m kidding. Uh, I’ve never been sprayed by law enforcement. It was a riot. So everybody was there. It was like a family thing. I thought I could tell jokes for a living. Turns out I’m not funny. True story.

It sucks. There’s like no pause record button. Now I have to edit this, you son of a bitch. No, it just goes like, if we were live right now, I didn’t know you. There was a pause button. Not on this one. Not that I’ve seen. I’ve never been able to pause it.

But this is also a program that lets you add like instant, um, replay. So it’s always got something going, which, it’s a really cool program. All right. You just have to bring us back now. And say, all right, I got my coffee and you have to sit really loud so people.

Oh hold on 1 second. What’s Mikey’s last name? So bad at just using like resources here, this is why you can’t give John a pre report. And this is our new,

oh uh, that’s too

pictures. I think that pisses me off.

Michael Forsyth, I can’t say his last name, michael Forsyth but it’s just m Mikey, he doesn’t need his last name on the show. Uh doesn’t. All right, back to your position. All right, we’re back. All right, we are back from that little commercial break. I’ve got another uh, Americano.

That’s the only way to drink coffee. Black rifle coffee. I don’t care, they can start to pay me or I am just that word of mouth. I love black rifle. He’ll take 15 pounds a year, he’ll get through that in about three months. The resort we were at, they might sponsor us.

So I won’t tell you, um, on air but if you wanted a second cup of coffee at breakfast, $5 and I was like for that trash, it’s bad enough I am like just addicted to coffee that I’m drinking this just to drink coffee. It is nowhere on par of what I would expect.

That’s one of my favorite things coming back from vacation is having a really good americana. I mean sometimes you can get a good one. The resort I stayed at, mexico, you can get a good Americano. But sometimes that’s my favorite thing coming back. Right, because Starbucks, it’s the same thing.

I mean you always know it’s better than that coffee I was paying $5 for. I mean I might have considered it if they were bringing me a Starbucks. Yeah, but the coffee that they’re for refill usually $4 for a side of Parmesan cheese, for a uh, kiddo meal, for my niece’s noodles, $4 for a little Dixie, whatever, little cup.

Welcome to the island. Oh my gosh. So thanks to one of our members that uh, will be back here in the future because they um, keeping their house here in Parker, Colorado, um, has to go to Texas for work. Mikey gave me this, um, had done some private lessons, formed ah round ah out his training with me the same as ever.

Morgan housel highly recommend this book. I was on vacation, didn’t have my highlighter or any of my little marky mark things there, um, what are those officially called? Do you like my marky marks? I like Marky Mark. Right. Feel like it’s bridging on Marky mark now. Well, I mean, he goes by Mark Wahlberg.

Uh, so I went back, I actually read this twice on vacation. Wow. Um, great book. And just covering things that aren’t changing, uh, things that just are always true. And, uh, it’s kind of like a bully. Like when we talk, our kids, like, you don’t know how it is now.

Well, yeah, there’s social media, but people are always jerks. There’s always people out there to be evil and all of that stuff. So great. He’s also, I think, uh, one of the other, uh, best selling author of the psychology of money. Um, I thought it was fantastic. And one of the chapters, the casualty of perfection, got me thinking about what we do, what martial artists do.

So, um, I might paraphrase a little bit here. Um, one of the first things that, ah, there is a huge advantage to being a little imperfect. People don’t like to leave opportunities on the table. A common urge is to squeeze out as much efficiency and perfection as you can from whatever you’re pursuing.

I thought it was really good. Uh-huh. So he starts to talk about evolution. In evolution is that everything dies. 99% of species are already extinct. The rest will be eventually. Um, and there’s some great other stuff in there of talking about, um, well, is it just luck? Yeah. Um, I think they were like, if you put how many marbles and you take 2% out, things are going to stay in there for years and years and years, and it’s just the way things go and species.

So really, um, worth reading. I think you should finish the rest of that. Yeah. So they had another little thing in there that we’re not going to talk about, but I’m just thinking of it now. There is no perfect species, one adapted to everything at all times. The best any species can do is to be good at some things until the things it’s not good at suddenly matter more and then it dies.

And he kind of gives some examples from a russian biologist. A bigger lion can kill more prey, but it’s also a larger target for hunters. The bigger you are, the more prey you might need. So you’re more vulnerable to maybe your prey being a little bit not, uh, available.

Yeah. That, um, leads directly to extinction when you don’t have. So you’re bigger, you need more calories, different things. A tree captures more sunlight, or the bigger tree carries more sunlight, but it becomes vulnerable to the wind. It can be tipped over in a storm. There is always some inefficiency.

So I’ll skip down a little bit. Uh, not maximizing your potentially is actually the sweet spot in a world where perfecting one skill compromises another. Evolution has spent 3.8 billion years testing, improving the idea that some, um, inefficiency is good. Yeah, we had a conversation about being, uh, a jack of all trades, right?

And sometimes it can be a bad thing if you’re jack of all trades, because you don’t get to master one. And that drive is with us, is to master a skill. But now that you’ve shared that with me and I’ve thought about it, there is that advantage of being able to do lots of things.

Because if you were gigantopithecus, Blackie, they were a giant ape in Australia. Right? That just went completely in China. I’m sorry. That went completely extinct. And it was most likely because they had a very narrow food supply. So when the food went away, they weren’t capable of adapting, so they go extinct.

Right. So that’s like any skill that you might have. It might be really good for one thing. But if you don’t learn how to adapt that skill to other things, once the need for that skill goes away, what do you do with it? Yeah, it’s kind of like humans.

Like, we can eat just garbage and survive. We can eat this trash food and we don’t die. We’re great that we can eat meat, we can eat vegetables, we can eat. We can eat up processed crap and survive. So there’s a strength compared to that guy where he died out.

And humans have evolved. Like, we pretty much freaking eat anything. For the most part. Yeah. We’re not specialized in our dental arcade is what they’re called, because we’ve got everything to be carnivorous and to be, um, an herbivore. So we’re very omnivorous in our diet, which means that we were able to eat lots of little things.

Right. And that keeps you alive instead of just eating one thing. Because pandas eat like, almost exclusively eucalyptus. I’m sorry, koalas. And if the, uh, eucalyptus goes away, what else is the koala going to eat? Because even in zoos, they know they don’t like to eat other things. Oh, yeah, right.

The panda, same thing, the bamboo. If there’s no bamboo, what does the pan to eat? Right. And when the wolves, large, archaic wolves, died off because whatever they were eating went away. I often think that Neanderthal died off because they were just outperformed by humans. Right. Neanderthal was around for a very long time, but they were most likely very specific on what they were eating probably large gain.

Right. And humans show up and they outcompete them. They don’t have food anymore. They weren’t runners. Right? Yeah. Super strong, but they weren’t runners. Yeah. So when we look at that from our point of view as the martial artist, MMA has shown that if you specialize, you’re going to get beat because you aren’t versed in other disciplines.

And I think people can fall down that trap. Sure. And that’s where what I always liked the original, um, as you guys may or may not know, Krab McGah lost his trademark a number of years ago now, and that’s what drew me into it. I mean, there’s so much bad crowd McGow out there, and that’s one thing that drew me into paying a large affiliate fee because they had the trademark on it.

You want to be part of this, you had to pay for it. But they protected the brand and the reputation. And you can see over the last, I think it’s been like at least ten years maybe now that the name is losing because there’s crap out there, and then people are going, not that, hey, there’s bad doctors, and it’s just like, krav maga sucks because you saw you went to a bad Krav maga, uh, school, whatever it is.

I mean, not to mention when somebody comes in there and you’re like, well, the Kravaga guy got his ass kicked in the boxing ring. Well, maybe he was better at kicking and he was a little lost of going, don’t throw a kick, don’t throw a knee, don’t clinch, whatever.

I think a lot of martial arts students forget that when somebody is coming from another martial art, they’re having trouble or they’re not doing their full potential. I’m like, I’d gouge you in the eyes. Sure. I mean, I’m not going to do that in class, but I’m certainly going to think, and I’m going to certainly hover my thumb over your eye and go, I could do this in a real fight, but I’m not going to do that to my training partner.

But I think they forget that. Yeah. That’s what attracted me to Krav, is that you don’t specialize in any one thing. You’re taking what works at that moment and you train it. Right. It’s the original, uh, Kufman logo. The circle is open at the top and open at the bottom.

Let new things out and things that we’re not doing or find something better. They’re going out. We’re just not going to hold on to them. We’re going to get rid of them. Like, what’s the point of training this when we found a better technique? Or it’s just, maybe it’s not even relevant, uh, for some reason.

But a lot of things like, oh, we’ve evolved the technique, let’s not hold onto it because Grandmaster Josh said this was the best thing to do. And 20 years later, we’re like, wait a second. Grandmaster Josh might have been wrong about that. I don’t think grand and master,

but it just allows you to grow. And I understand what he means by that. Because when something isn’t worth doing anymore, because there’s no benefit to it, right. There’s no payout to what the risk you’re putting into it. You have to move on or you die. Right. And there has not been a species yet that has not gone extinct or will go extinct.

Maybe the whole point of evolution is to get to the point where one of those does exist, but I don’t know. I don’t think I’ll ever see it. Yeah. I mean, who knows? You’re like another ice age and humans aren’t going to survive that most likely. I mean, I forget how much of the earth was not covered in the last ice age.

There was that 20%. Around the narrow bound of the center is where most things survived. Right. You’re, like, still kind of warm. Are humans going to make it through that? Are we going to adapt? Or is it like the earth is just restarting? Technically, we’re one for one on ice ages.

You know what I mean? We’re one for one. But as far as, like, martial arts is the real what got me thinking about this and going what Tod says from, um, ids. Todd Fosse. I want to teach you the 20% that’s going to get you 80% of the way.

And it’s also like crab McGow. Like, keep it simple. We’re not trying to get in. We’re trying to get you out of the most common attack. Uh, and not specializing. Yeah, if I go up and box the boxer, that guy’s specializing in that. I want to know the basics to get me out of that.

Now, you go against the world class boxer, you should be beaten by the world class boxer. Or is that, uh, what I always like to say is, it’s, you cloned. One just specialized in boxing and the other one did MMA. Sure. All things kind of equal, taking out strength and size and all those other factors, the more skilled boxer should win that because he specialized in that tool set.

Uh, and that’s what I like about Krav Maga, that’s what I like about what we do here at RMSDF, that, uh, we want to be well versed in everything. How are you implementing your flashlight? And I think that’s a real freaking problem. Like, flashlights are a great self defense tool.

But, man, now you got a flashlight in your hand, you realize you need to go to guns. I mean, the choice probably is not going to guns. And now you have to fight with that flash light, which is a great, um.

Yeah, Bill has, ah, I don’t know if he stole it from somebody. I don’t think so. But, uh, what does he call it? The flash and bash. Yeah, I’m going to flash and bash you. That’s going to suck. I’m going to blind you, and then I’m going to start, uh, blasting you with the flashlight.

I love that. But, um, now you have a flashlight in your hand. Do you want to go to your gun? I mean, that’s what we’re doing here. That’s our peaceful warrior program is you’ve built up a tool set, like actually a guy that was, uh, a member a long time ago joining, uh, back up peaceful warrior.

Can you explain that? Look, you can get into it, you can join it, you can get all the benefits of all the perks of having every class in that membership. You can’t take the peaceful warrior class until you have proven to me or another one of the black belts that you have earned your way into that because you have a basic skill set and you’re not slowing down the class because we’re not revisiting, uh, basic stuff in that advanced class.

Hey, we still need to train it in that class, but we’re not breaking it down. I’m going, hey, guys, do all common bear, uh, hug attacks? Let’s just get a review. I’m not teaching it. Sometimes I obviously have to be like, hey, watch your technique. But we’re not spending the time teaching it.

In peaceful warrior, it’s incorporating a flashlight. It’s incorporating the clear sky defender, um, blade into a position where you feel you’re going to die. It’s life threatening. They’re going to do you great bodily harm. They’re going to kidnap you, they’re going to rape you, you’re going to that higher force option.

Going to that gun is not easy as I’m just going to get my gun out of my purse. I’m like, oh, yeah, good luck. You’re going to do that at a guy 10ft away from you, never mind 15. Yeah. And what if he goes for your purse? The point I was saying, evolution before, there’s never been a species that has ever evolved to the point where it stops evolving.

Right. And that’s really what Krav maga is. It never really starts evolving, which means that if you continue to evolve, your likelihood of surviving goes up. Uh, right. Uh, that’s what evolution does. You end up surviving as generations go through. I mean, the specific definition for evolution is very narrow.

But for this conversation, as long as it changes, that means it’ll improve, which means it’ll get better, right. A lot of really old school martial arts will stay within their lane. And the moment people realize that that may not be the most effective, they may never attend it again.

Right. So that that branch of martial arts will die off. And there’s probably been tons of martial arts that have died off because people just stopped going, like utilizing it, right? Yeah. And then that’s why Krov has the evolutionary advantage over a lot of the others, because if it sees something that works, it’ll change itself.

It’s called an evolution, punctuated equilibrium. And there’s an instantaneous change inside of a species and it survives. Yeah. That is what cromp is to do. There’s these sudden changes where they’re like, this works. We’re going to do it, right. Better. We’ll survive. Yeah. Actually that just kind of brought to my head of martial artists of whatever, and some people don’t like that name, whatever, uh, of just wanting to learn a new one.

They’re constantly trying to learn the new thing or learn another martial art and they never master one. That could maybe keep them safer because now they’re trying to learn another skill set or change. It’s kind of like what I was showing you, um, with a traditional martial arts kata or form of somebody chambering their punch down at their hip and switching to recoiling to your jaw and how hard that is for people.

You had the little thing from competition shooting and you’re, oh, uh, I didn’t even know I was doing that. Great. Thanks, John, for giving me something else to work on. But you’re like, yeah, your thing from competition shooting is screwing you when you are, never mind zero to 3ft contact distance, 6ft away, because we know somebody can cover 3ft,

half of a blink. It’s crazy. And people get just tied up into that. It’s crazy of like, I’m going to do this and trying to come up with a system. Like, I had a guy that was doing some blade stuff and it was just different way of fighting with the blade than how we would fight with the blade here and how I think of fighting with the blade.

But it was like, I want to go and do and train with other person. I was like, great. Train with this blade guy. Forget and different things I would see in drilling or just knife on knife. Now things aren’t gelling together. We’re like, keep it simple. Get you home.


I’m going to give you 20% and it’s going to give you 80. I love the way tod phrases that. I’m not going to go down the rabbit hole of trying to learn all of this detailed knife thing. And then you’re like, well, I’m going to do whatever competition, uh, shooting.

And you’re like, wait, I’m totally not putting the bad guy the line of fire because I’m so used to moving and not muzzling because that’s how we have to safely do it at the range. And that’s the beauty of our citizen defender class that we can train here. And it’s unfortunate that gun owners kind of get caught up in their own heads of like, well, I’m shooting, I’m shooting.

It was like the nice, um, person on a trial last night. I’ve got a lot of gun experience. I’ve got a lot of shooting experience. And then I’m like, okay, let’s do some basics. Here’s our basic warm up. And now I’m throwing into the fire, and I’m basically breaking down flanking drill, and I’m like, okay, give it a whirl.

And I’m not spending an in depth conversation with you because this is a class and it’s not a private lesson. And new people can do that. And you’re like, I want to give you. And even there was another instructor in the field and they wanted to give that person some more.

And I’m like, no, they have a lot of shooting experience, and I’m throwing you into the fire because you told me you had a lot, uh, a lot of firearms experience. So I’m okay. All right, let’s see what you can do. Awesome. Great fundamentals, I think. Very solid. Sure.

But now we start training the way we do here with somebody with a blade and running your UdA loop and drawing a gun on somebody that is unarmed and all of that stuff now. Oh, I’m like, hey, see what we do here? And you can see they were like, yeah, okay.

And liking it. But they get caught up in the range and the way of what they feel. 95% of, uh, the citizen defender program is in the gym with an inert pistol. It’s the way to go. It’s what I’ve been looking for. Well, anybody who’s worth their shooting salt will realize after a while that there’s more.

Right. Because there’s nobody actually running at you when you’re at the range. Right. There’s no dynamic movement, because generally, you have to stay safe. You’re a marksman, and that’s what they teach you. Right. Which is good. You need the fundamentals. You need the fundamentals. But until you actually have to be, uh, in a fight with the gun, then you don’t really know what you’re up to and what you’re doing, and it changes your whole perspective.

What you thought was a really great way to hold the gun to be accurate may not be what you need to get out of a situation where they’re trying to take your firearm or they’re wrestling you for it. Right. Yeah. You’ll never get that at the range. And that’s why we’re different.

This is real fighting with the gun. Marksmanship is great. Go to your local range if that’s. What you want to do. But if you want to fight with the gun. Yeah. That’s 5%. Yeah. And I always hate, uh, blowing our own horn here, but we are the first to bring it to Douglas county.

I don’t see anybody else doing what we’re doing in our citizen defender program, concealed carry. One of our members, like, I did a concealed carry class, and I feel like, oh, my gosh. Uh, you need to come to our citizen defender class. You’re taking an unarmed step because you travel a lot.

That’s great. Just going to the range, that’s awesome. But you need to make the decision. And how you’re doing that, I mean, just the range habit you had. Uh, I’m like, yikes. You’re at contact distance with a person, with a blade, and you’re taking me out of the line of fire.

And that should be eye opening to everybody, never mind the mistakes we all make. I always say to the kids, I’m like, you know, it’s like, when I say, we need to practice, I’m not saying you students practice more. It’s always, uh, we. I. All of us can get better.

All of us are human. We all make mistakes. And that’s what training is about. Make mistakes. Here is the place fail. And training is the place where it shows you you’d rather do it in training than in real life. I want somebody to see it. That’s why I get in front of you, the professional, to say, what am I doing wrong here?

And if you see it, you correct it in that moment to try to make you a better fighter. I mean, it just sucks. I mean, I said, uh, in the class last night, and I didn’t get too into, uh, checking it out, but a law enforcement officer was clearing a house and like an eleven year old charged, ran out and they shot him.

Lucky the kids survived, but they were trying to clear the house. I think it was like the boyfriend or whatever is who they were looking for. And now the kid runs out after. I’m like, oh, my God. Which is the hardest, because we know how fast that somebody could be on you with a knife and making that decision.

Um, and I have not seen this case, and I’m not like, man, I can just go, I feel you. Because, man, the training we do, somebody charging at you and determining what the heck. I had a barbell clamp in my hand, which is chrome in my hand from our fitness side is where we’re training, um, citizen defender last night, and Nick goes, and I was on the new studio, I wasn’t watching Nick, um, was running the drill at the same time.

And he’s like, and he like, good freaking person. He is. He’s like, I shot you, too. I’m like, I wasn’t watching you. He’s like, it was silver. It was silver in your hand I shot and I was just literally squeezing that barbell clamp, which is a good workout. So I was like, being a bad guy, getting some grip strength going on, but, uh, they both shot me.

I’m like, and what we’re telling you, like, in the drill, just because we’re saying fight, we’re just using that as there’s a fight somewhere. There’s a threat somewhere. Some of our instructors will say threat, fight, all the same thing. There’s a threat somewhere. It doesn’t mean it’s where the threat, uh, you heard Josh, look out.

Doesn’t mean it’s coming right at you.

We had a student punch, uh, their friend, because they’re like, josh, they punched the friend. I’m thinking of, um, an umbrella ish thing came down over the frozen food section. A couple years ago, my wife and I was like, look out. And she’s like, hit her. And she’s like, what the heck?

And I was like, I don’t know. It wasn’t coming that fast. And I said, look out. She’s like, I looked at you. I’m like, not at me. Look out, look out. Look around. She was all mad at me because it hit her, but I was like, it wasn’t coming at a high rate of speed.

Nobody knows the timing it takes in those decisions. Until you actually do the decision, you make the drill, right? Because you’ve got to decide probably in your thing, you turn around, you see metal. Uh, you don’t have time to take it all in. You have to, because you just shot an unknown person.

But that’s the point. That’s so fast, it floods the senses, right? And unless you train those senses to be able to pick up more and more, you’re just going to react to what you see. And that’s why you need the training, because you have to get your body used to taking in a ton of information quickly to make a choice.

Yeah, it’s like going to that gun.

If you were, um, say, that competition shooter and whatever the call is, or threat or gun or knife, and you’re clearing and your firearm and you’re presenting it out just like jock guy Joe with a guy with a gun. Guy with a gun. And you were like, boom, boom, boom.

Oh, shit, that was a cop. M. That would suck really bad just because the guy has a gun. You’ve got to determine what’s going on. It’s, uh, a thing I did, uh, up, uh, that Colorado crime I got put on a bunch of years ago, and they did an active shooter.

And how many people started attacking law enforcement? Yeah, because it was an active shooter. And there’s a guy with a gun, but he’s got swat or police on his shirt or he’s got his badge because he was a detective or whatever the scenario, the amount of people that just reacted and not went, who is this?

Some of the people yelling, police. Police. And people are jumping on them because the auditory exclusion, all of that stuff you just got to keep doing. You don’t believe them. Right? If they’re a plain closed officer and they’re yelling at police officer, that’s going to be a hard choice.

I mean, you would have to go, wow, that cop just shot the defenseless guy standing with his hands down. Yeah, that would be, whoa, I think this guy’s dressed up. But you’ve, uh, got to run your ooda loop and make that decision. And it’s not always about speed. We want to be fast, but, man, you’re fast to shoot the wrong person.

Great. Wow. Yeah, right quick quarter of a second. Awesome. See, in jail and now you’re going to spend how many seconds in jail or the rest of your life? How many seconds is that? That’s why we have to come in and look at it now. See it a thousand times here before you have to see it once out there.

Uh, you guys know we love all aspects of self defense and fitness and firearms and flashlights, tasers, blades, everything here and incorporating it in or even if you’re not, uh, we just had a mom come in for our kids program. She’s like, what’s going on back there? And I’m like, oh, that’s our functional fitness, that’s our project fit.

It’s scalable to anybody’s ability. Yeah, check it out. And yeah, she’s like, my son could be, oh, it’s a daughter. Uh, my daughter could be doing this and I could be getting a workout in. I’m like, exactly. Come on in. You could get your workout in. And that’s always, uh, time is always so hard for all of us.

It doesn’t matter. I’m a gym owner and I got to carve out the time to get my workouts in. It doesn’t matter because everybody has all of those things. Is it a priority to you to get in shape? And if you’re looking to get in shape, you want to get better with your self defense, protect yourself.

Check out our website, rmsdf.com. You can really support the podcast. We’ve got our great line of, uh, prestigelab supplements on shop clearsky training. Get t shirts on that or shop rmsdf.com, you can get some t shirts and other stuff. I put some patches on, uh, the RMSDF shop, some cool ones there, some stuff coming down the pipe, um, that you will see here shortly.

So that will greatly support the podcast and uh, let us do, uh, what we do here. I hope you found, uh, a couple self defense tips, um, uh, in terms of the law. And remember, we are not lawyers. We are just, uh, telling you our experience and our point of view and things that we have picked up.

But man, the legal system is tough to navigate, as you guys know, but we’ve got to keep that in our training and part of what we do because I could throw you in a rear naked choke, but maybe I’m not justified in putting you in that life or death scenario.

So it’s all things that we get our students thinking about here at Rocky Mountain, self defense and fitness in Castle Rock, Colorado. All right, you guys take care. Have a great day. Stay safe out there. Train more and suck less.

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